Monday, November 14, 2005

Liberal Losers Don't Understand Science

Check out the comments on this post at the Atrios website. It clearly shows how ignorant liberals are about real science.


At 11:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, let's exchange "science credentials" and see who has a richer, more complete understanding of science. I've got an A.B in Physics and another in Astronomy from the University of California (Berkeley, ooh scary), a M.S. and a Ph.D. in Physics from Michigan State University. I've worked for Indiana University, Caltech, Stanford and now a national High Energy Physics laboratory as a physicist. I also know how to spell "thermodynamics" and understand its principles including the "zeroth law" (try google for more info). Let me tell you that you're 180 degrees off course here in your claims that "liberals" don't understand science -- I'm a liberal and it is obvious that I certainly know (and understand) more about science, both specific subjects and the general philosophy/workings, than you.

But understanding science isn't a liberal vs. conservative thing. My father, quite conservative, knows and understands science. But then again he's not some fundamentalist nutjob who denies the evidence in the world around us.

At 8:31 PM, Blogger Brian said...

Do you have examples of liberals not knowing anything about science in the comments, or, like usual, are you just letting the ad hominem attacks fly?

For that matter, what's "real" science? Just curious. I'm dying to hear this.

At 2:38 PM, Blogger Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

11 23 05

Hello I stumbled across your site and found this post:
I don't get the liberals and science comment either, but the quote on the site you sent us to was bothersome at best. I posted this:

11 23 05

Now that is inflammatory and outright hateful. I am a student of physics and have been for years; yet have no issue at all thinking that there is something responsible for the creation of our universe. The big bang begin space and time. Before the big bang isn't a meaningful question to ask because "before" is a time concept which only is applicable once the universe began.
So I ask to what do we atrribute the cause of the big bang? Did the universe create itself? HUH? Studying things like cosmology actually bring you to question the nature of our existence and the origins of our species. I think it is absolutely cruel that you would critisize someone for their beliefs, especially in such a grey area as our origins.

Sure the background microwave noise can somewhat verify the big bang (in a circular sort of way), but since we will never be able to divine the truth, what is wrong with positing that another being may have created us? This is a philosophical issue and should be discussed in a religion or philosophy classs, but in intro physics when one learns about the big bang, should also be discussed. And it needn't be in a religious context, but students do need to think critically about these things and your ire is misunderstood by me...

And you know, the truth is such an elusive concept. QM tells us that the truth doesn't exist until we take a measurement...Ah solipsism verses common sense...Interesting post.

At 2:43 PM, Blogger Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

11 23 05

OH, Happy Thanksgiving:) Anonymous: I wish you didn't post anonymously, I have been trying to come across more physicists in the blogosphere. But one guy was focusing on the Klein Gorden equation, cuz he was taking QFT and the other one put me on a chopping block for a comment I made about the ID thing. since you work in High Energy physics, perhaps you can answer a question for me: I was talking about the commutator theorem the other day and said that if two observables commute, then they can be measured simultaneously because they operate on different degrees of freedom of the wavefunction. But my modern physics course bothers me because of the phrase simultaneity in measurement. I am only finishing up my BS, so have a lot of learning to do, but am wondering if you have any thoughts on the matter. You can post on my blog or email me. Thx.

At 11:26 PM, Blogger zennurse said...

So, now you're linking liberal scientists to each other by posting your anti-reality comments. I'm looking around here and I'm not finding too many other conservatives, O True conservative. Kind of lonely being a right wing guy just now, I guess. Sorry bout your blog.

At 2:18 PM, Blogger Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

11 28 05

Zennurse: Why do you say liberal scientists? My letter to the liberal site told them how hateful their remark was. Still, I have no issue speaking to other scientists. Did you even read what I was asking the guy? It had nothing to do with politics and all to do with a conundrum...

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